I just read that a while ago, and its awesome for Miami and a huge surprise. They went out and spent a ton, thats great. I was totally wrong, I didnt think Miami would make that commitment.
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I just read that a while ago, and its awesome for Miami and a huge surprise. They went out and spent a ton, thats great. I was totally wrong, I didnt think Miami would make that commitment.
but this is worth mentioning:
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Originally Posted by miamiherald
I am not sure if Gruden would take the job or not. But there are alot of reasons he would. The guy is a florida guy. His family I believe is still in Tampa and I think he has two kids that are in high school now. Maybe he can see coaching his son at Miami as a draw. I think he believes he could win big there. ACC isn't the toughest conference in the world and if you have the recruiting base Miami has it is hard to understand how you couldn't have alot of success.
The other side is I think Tampa is still paying him around 5 mil per year at least thru next year. I also read where he is making around 4 mil for monday night football. That is alot of money to leave on the table. Also Gruden's offense is one of the most complicated offense's out there. I am not sure how well it would work in the college game. He isn't a proven recruiter but hey it's Miami. I don't guess you have to be. I think Miami has alot of better options out there. Gruden is a good coach but he is hard core football. I am not sure he is a good fit for the type kids that Miami has had success with in the past. JMO....
ESPN's Joe Schad is reporting that sources say there is "zero" chance Jon Gruden will accept the Miami head coaching position.
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Originally Posted by Biggin
Let's hope so (keeping fingers crossed). Miami needs a coach that will put the work in for a long haul,not coach a yr or so and head to the NFL.
I'll break my silence in light of recent developments.
It was reported that last night there was an agreement in principle between Gruden and Miami of 4 years/approx 17 million...thusly the Canesport/Miami Herald/Palm Beach Post/790 The Ticket reports of an imminent deal. Miami met all of Gruden's other demands as far as recruiting budget and staff budget. The finer details were to be hammered out today, and many expected the deal to be finalized. So, the "Miami doesn't have the money" or "Gruden never had interest" excuses are categorically falsified given all of that.
What's being reported now as the sticking point, was that Jon Gruden wanted a clause in his contract that if/when he left Miami for an NFL job, that Jay Gruden would be his coach-in-waiting, and would automatically get the job. Miami was good with Jay being the OC on this staff--so no issue with that, but thankfully for Hocutt--he didn't let Gruden dictate to him who the next coach after Gruden would be. It's not up to Jon to get his little bro Jay the Miami HC gig by proxy. If we wanted Jay as the HC, we would have offered him and not Jon the job (at much less money, to boot).
So...negotiations are said to be still open, but it looks highly unlikely that Gruden won't be at UM...but let me be clear--it is NOT for the reasons that have been brought up by others in this thread. The money was there, the mutual interest was there, but UM wouldn't be dictated to as far as who Jon's successor would be once he moves on to the NFL (which was a foregone conclusion).
Next on the list is Dan Mullen, Miss. State HC and former UF/Utah/Bowling Green OC under Urban Meyer.
wow, Miami believes its could get Urban Meyer to leave Florida to go to Miami?
hmm...........
what can Miami offer Meyer than UF cant?
I dont believe Dan Mullen leaves Miss. State for Miami either, but thats a whole lot more realistic than Meyer.
Where in the blue hell did I say that? I mentioned Meyer in relation to Mullen's resume/background for those who didn't know who Mullen is. Re-read that and make sure you comprehend it this time. I re-read it 3-4 times just to make sure you can't misunderstand it if you read it right...I dunno how you messed that one up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggin
Mullen may not leave for Miami, but then again...you thought we had no shot at Gruden either, when most reports say otherwise. If not for Gruden wanting nepotism for his lil bro and Hocutt not allowing that, he'd likely be getting introduced as our HC tomorrow.Quote:
I dont believe Dan Mullen leaves Miss. State for Miami either, but thats a whole lot more realistic than Meyer.
my bad, I misread it. I thought you said Dan Mullen AND Urban Meyer
but take shots, thats fine. excuse me for thinking that a school with major financial shortcomings was gonna get a $4mil a year coach. i was right regardless, it looks like Gruden will NOT be the next Miami coach.
Mullen is in the SEC with a raucous fanbase, great facilities, great in state recruiting base, a sold out stadium every week, and right now is the top program in its state.
Miami offers none of that aside from the great recruiting base and a commitment to upgrade the facilities.
Yep, but you were right for all the wrong reasons. Where I'm from, that's called talking out of your ass and getting lucky with the result. Had Gruden not made an outrageous demand that likely would have made a lot of schools walk away from negotiations, you'd be eating a crapload of crow, instead of the small amount that you should be eating for being right by luck and not by logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggin
All true, no disagreements there. Don't forget to point out that they still finished 5th in the SEC West, and that's in a really good 8-4 year. They're going to have to wait on a swoon by LSU/Arky/Bama/Auburn in order to ever sniff the SEC Title game.Quote:
Mullen is in the SEC with a raucous fanbase, great facilities, great in state recruiting base, a sold out stadium every week, and right now is the top program in its state.
Our fanbase is small, but raucous. There may only be a few of us there, but you know we're there. I'd wager that you've never been to a game Miami's played in in-person, so you wouldn't know that--when on the other hand, I have been, and I've seen it.Quote:
Miami offers none of that aside from the great recruiting base and a commitment to upgrade the facilities.
The facilities will get MUCH better, as you've already heard.
I'd be somewhat willing to wager that Mullen wouldn't mind recruiting down in S. Florida with the brand recognition of a Miami instead of fighting in the same geographical area as Ole Miss, LSU, Auburn, Bama, and Arkansas--being the small fish in the big pond. Not to mention that Miss St would have to get really **** good in recruiting and player development to ever have a shot to win the SEC West. Even then, it'd take a bunch of luck for them to make it out of the West to the SEC Championship.
I also think it all depends on if he has any aspirations for an NFL job down the road. I have a feeling he'd get a look much quicker if he came to Miami and wins (where he has a legit shot to become a dominant ACC and national program) as opposed to being an also-ran in the SEC West year-in/year-out...which realistically, is as good as it's ever going to get for that program. With the right guy at the helm, Miss St can do what they did this past year, possibly get lucky and win 10 games. With the right guy at the helm, Miami can be a perennial BCS bowl program with 10-12 wins and compete for national titles. Which would you take if you're looking to make your bones to get to the NFL...or hell, even if you're looking to win national titles. If you could make a cogent argument for Miss St being easier to win a national title at than Miami, then I'd bow down and give you props--but the simple fact is that you can't.
I knew you'd take this line of reasoning with regards to Mullen. News flash bub--just because it's an SEC job doesn't mean it's better than a job elsewhere, and that includes Miami...especially Miami. Save the SEC snobbery for some other program.
yeah, whatever. thats a ****load of words to say I was right. is it possible im wrong because of a different reason? sure, thats likely. I dont assume im 100% correct on any situation that I dont have first hand knowledge of.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoeburnCane
I have not read anything about Gruden's brother. Thats not been mentioned anywhere else, but we know its true because your sources are concrete, 100% proof.
Yeah, and three years ago Miss State was a laughingstock and non-contender. Mullen has just been there two seasons now, its a lil early to count out Miss State. You mention Ark. Why? That only proves my point. Look where they were 4 years ago and now. Bama has not always been elite lately and will have down years, as will LSU. Hell LSU was TERRIBLE for years, what makes you so sure they wont be back down soon? South Carolina won the SEC East this year. That alone proves my point. And if you can win your division in the SEC, you can compete for a national title.Quote:
All true, no disagreements there. Don't forget to point out that they still finished 5th in the SEC West, and that's in a really good 8-4 year. They're going to have to wait on a swoon by LSU/Arky/Bama/Auburn in order to ever sniff the SEC Title game.
Ah great, another backhanded, passive aggressive insult. If your fanbase was so devoted and raucous, they would sell out the stadium instead of it being 3/4th empty.Quote:
Our fanbase is small, but raucous. There may only be a few of us there, but you know we're there. I'd wager that you've never been to a game Miami's played in in-person, so you wouldn't know that--when on the other hand, I have been, and I've seen it.
Yeah, and have to compete with every major school in the nation to get recruits. Its not like Miami builds a fence around the bottom end of the state to keep everybody out. He is gonna have to fight Bama, LSU, etc... PLUS FSU (better shape than Miami), Florida (better shape than Miami), S. Florida (who just beat Miami), etc....Quote:
I'd be somewhat willing to wager that Mullen wouldn't mind recruiting down in S. Florida with the brand recognition of a Miami instead of fighting in the same geographical area as Ole Miss, LSU, Auburn, Bama, and Arkansas--being the small fish in the big pond. Not to mention that Miss St would have to get really **** good in recruiting and player development to ever have a shot to win the SEC West. Even then, it'd take a bunch of luck for them to make it out of the West to the SEC Championship.
And that last part is just bull****. South Carolina WON the East this year. Explain that. And the state of Mississippi produces more NFL players per capita than any other state.
You are right, its much easier to win a title in the ACC because they are a lower class football conference right now. Its been almost 10 years since an ACC school competed for a national title, why would it change so fast? Miami has NEVER competed for an ACC title, much less the National Title. and as Ive posted three times now, Mississippi State is on teh upswing, their state produces more NFL talent per capita than even Florida, etc... Its hilarious to assume that a school with a devoted fanbase, great talent pool, a good coach, a good conference, and great facilities cant compete for a title. Oregon was an also-ran a few years ago; I guess they can never be title contenders.Quote:
I also think it all depends on if he has any aspirations for an NFL job down the road. I have a feeling he'd get a look much quicker if he came to Miami and wins (where he has a legit shot to become a dominant ACC and national program) as opposed to being an also-ran in the SEC West year-in/year-out...which realistically, is as good as it's ever going to get for that program. With the right guy at the helm, Miss St can do what they did this past year, possibly get lucky and win 10 games. With the right guy at the helm, Miami can be a perennial BCS bowl program with 10-12 wins and compete for national titles. Which would you take if you're looking to make your bones to get to the NFL...or hell, even if you're looking to win national titles. If you could make a cogent argument for Miss St being easier to win a national title at than Miami, then I'd bow down and give you props--but the simple fact is that you can't.
Jesus, you are the biggest girl on this forum. You cant handle someone putting it out there that RIGHT NOW, Miss. State might be as good if not in better shape than Miami. its not about the SEC, its about MISS. STATE and MIAMI.Quote:
I knew you'd take this line of reasoning with regards to Mullen. News flash bub--just because it's an SEC job doesn't mean it's better than a job elsewhere, and that includes Miami...especially Miami. Save the SEC snobbery for some other program.
News flash--Miss. State won more ballgames than Miami this year, sells out its stadium EVERY home game Miss. State is currently ranked higher than Miami on Rivals rankings, and they are in the most prestigious conference in the nation.
Everbody knows the advantages of coaching at Miami, great local talent and a tradition of greatness. but that tradition is only 30 years old. Its not Notre Dame or USC. Who's to say that Mullen couldnt bring Miss. State to that level? Miss. State has been a sleeping giants for years.
So save your whiney inferiority complex about the SEC for some other poster.
I never once said MSU was a better job because they were in the SEC. I listed why its a great job right now, yet you still get defensive and insult me, and the SEC.
I never insulted the SEC. You on the other hand...
Everything I am seeing states that Hocutt and Gruden met, and discussed the job, but no offers were made. At least according to Hocutt.
I would go all in on Mullen if I was Miami. Possibly keeping his DC, Diaz as an option, or even seeing if you could drag Charlie Strong away from L'ville. Mike Leach would be very interesting there, just to see what happens, but I don't see it happening. With his offenses, he would have to pull QBs from outside the state of FL, which wouldn't be hard to do.
without making a new thread about it...Bud Foster has expressed interest in the Vanderbilt head coaching opening
Also Malzahn should be in the discussion.
Any chance Miami might be peaking an interest into a former Cane QB who has a bunch of 10 win seasons under his belt as a HC?
Miami should seriously consider Leach simply because his offense will help put fans in the seats.
I don't care for Miami but they are at a disadvantage when it comes to fan support. It's a relatively small school (in terms of FBS at least) and a large percentage of the alumni lives outside of Florida.
It's easy to brag about how great your fanbase is when your state school enrollment is 25k+ and cranks out 2x-3x the # of grads Miami does.
This being the case, of course Miami is going to have a disproportionate share of "casual" fans. Call them fair weather or whatever, but in order to draw those people to games, you have to win..or at the very least be entertaining.
That surprises me. Especially if Bud got a great deal to stay D Coordinator last year at VT when Vandy isn't going to be a pay raise more than likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by gcdevil22
Foster is making a mistake if he would accept that job. I know he may want to be a head coach. But Vandy is one the toughest jobs out there. The facilities are awful, you have to compete in the toughest conference in the country, plus you have academic requirments hurting you in recruiting. No win job.....
As far as the Miami thing. Miami to me is clearly a better job than Miss. St. but maybe because I remember what Miami used to be. The recruiting base is the best in the country. I think Mullen would win big at Miami. I think Malzhan would win at Miami. To me I would go after Pelini at Nebraska. If not Bo then Carl. Those guys are great coaches. JMO....
Vandy is a terrible job, Foster has other options than going there and setting a goal of winning five games or making a bowl as the ultimate goal. Foster needs to get his now tho, he has stayed loyal to Beamer for too long. He should have taken a job a couple years ago.
a lower level OC/DC should take the Vandy job, im hearing that Navy OC might be the next Vandy coach.
Gruden says again, he?s committed to ESPN
By TIM REYNOLDS, AP Sports Writer
Dec 2, 2:48 pm EST
ShareretweetEmailPrintCORAL GABLES, Fla. (AP)?Jon Gruden apologized Thursday for widespread speculation about his candidacy to be Miami?s next football coach, and said he?s willing to help the Hurricanes find the right person for the job.
The former Super Bowl-winning coach and current ESPN analyst reiterated his commitment to ?Monday Night Football? for the second time this week, and the network repeated that it expects Gruden to at least complete his contract, which runs through 2011.
Gruden had talks with Miami throughout the week about replacing fired coach Randy Shannon, and a person familiar with the talks told The Associated Press on Sunday that Gruden was presented with ?parameters? of a contract within 24 hours of Shannon?s dismissal. Gruden met face-to-face with Hurricanes athletic director Kirby Hocutt on Wednesday.
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?I?d just like to say I?m committed to ESPN,? Gruden said on a conference call. ?There?s not a lot to add. I?m very thankful to have the job that I have and I?m eager to try to get better at it. And I know there was a lot of speculation over the last few days, and for that, I?m sorry. I?m just excited to be with ?Monday Night Football.??
Gruden won a Super Bowl with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and also has coached the Oakland Raiders. He began working as an analyst for ESPN in 2009.
Despite reports that circulated earlier in the week that Miami was in final negotiations with Gruden and nearing a deal, he said Thursday ?there was never anything really serious about this.?
Hocutt was in his Miami office on Thursday, and no hiring of a new coach was imminent. Hocutt has not responded to requests for comment, and said he would not discuss the search process until Miami?s next coach is named.
There?s at least a half-dozen other serious candidates on the Hurricanes? list, and the university wants to have a hire in place in time for a major recruiting weekend that begins Dec. 10.
Shannon was fired Saturday after the Hurricanes completed a 7-5 regular season with an overtime loss to South Florida. He was 28-22 in parts of four seasons, without an Atlantic Coast Conference title or bowl victory.
Offensive line coach Jeff Stoutland will be the interim head coach for Miami?s postseason appearance, expected to be the Sun Bowl in El Paso, Texas. Sun Bowl officials were meeting Thursday to move closer toward extending formal invitations to the game.
Gruden said he?s enjoying his role as an analyst, especially watching NFL games?instead of coaching them?on Sundays.
?That?s one of the most enjoyable times of my week,? Gruden said. ?Coverage is getting better. You can watch four games at once. You can flip from one channel to the other. I mean, it?s just amazing the kind of coverage you can get and the information access is incredible.?
Not only is Gruden under contract to ESPN through 2011, his contract with the Buccaneers?which paid an estimated $5 million annually, far more than Miami has ever paid a football coach?stretches through the end of that season as well.
?I?m a big fan. I want the Hurricanes to do well,? Gruden said.
Before it gets said...of course, since he's under contract with ESPN, he's not going to say that he talked turkey as far as contract and dollars goes. If ESPN knew that for sure, they'd likely can him or blackball him to doing drop-ins on SportsCenter.
Fact is--most of my sources were from folks that are close to the Board of Trustees at Miami. Gruden is pulling CYA here by not telling the whole truth. Smart on his part, and I don't blame him. He's just not telling the whole truth about how far the negotiations went.
On to Mullen...but I'm still pulling for Mike Leach to get an interview.
I can't see Leach getting this job. You know alot more about Miami than me but looking back at those good teams to me it always started with defense. I know they had some awesome players on offense but those defense's is what set Miami apart IMO. Jimmy Johnson was a defensive guy as well as Butch Davis. I think Mullen would win but I am starting to think Tuberville wouldn't be that bad of a hire for you all. He has a ton of ties to Miami and that is the job he has always wanted. I think he would do well. He fits that defensive coach mold.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoeburnCane
Is there any other names you are hearing? I would think Malzhan or Venables. Al Golden maybe? Does it have to be a big name guy?
We just had a defensive coach in Shannon who was regarded by many around the nation as one of the top DC's in the nation. I'm done with coordinators getting a promotion to HC at Miami--I want a proven guy. Tuberville's getting up there in age (56 isn't old, but dude acts 65-70), and if you want to compare--look at what he's done in the wake of Leach at TT. Leach had MUCH more success than Tuberville there so far. Plus--he left the Auburn job b/c he was "burnt out". That doesn't scream passion to me as a coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by VOL61
That being said--I'm all in for Leach to get an interview. I think if that happens, he's our next HC. It's a remote possibility, but there is an e-mail campaign out currently amongst Canes fans to the AD's office to voice the opinion that Leach deserves to get an interview, at least, if not get the job.
All of those guys you named are being considered. Even though it's remote--feelers will be sent out to Harbaugh, Petersen, Patterson, and a few others. Randy Edsell, Kyle Whittingham, Mario Cristobal, and Marc Trestman are also names that have been brought up.Quote:
Is there any other names you are hearing? I would think Malzhan or Venables. Al Golden maybe?
YES--a 1000 times--YES! It certainly does. It needs to be a big splash to attract recruits. Even if Leach got the job, he wouldn't get recruits all on his own, it would be more about the buzz in the program getting kids excited about The U again. If it's a guy like Randy Edsell, nice hire--but nowhere near exciting, and he'll struggle to get things built up. A splash hire like Leach would excite the recruiting and fanbases, and would lead to getting back to prominence sooner rather than later.Quote:
Does it have to be a big name guy?
I was thinking Leach was interviewed b/f Shannon was hired... would Leach be considered again? Or does Leach just want to be at MIAMI more than MIAMI wants him there?? Does his current litigations have any clauses about coaching b/f it is settled??
Hopefully. That's what all the FB pages/groups and e-mail campaigns are all about. And yes--Leach was informally interviewed at a coaches conference by Paul Dee before retired as Miami AD, and the rumors about Leach being drunk in flipflops were false. That came to light in the past few days--both Dee and Leach said it was during the AFCA conference at the Waldorf Astoria in NYC and that they just floated ideas about the job at each other, and nothing ever got more serious than that...never got to negotiations, b/c Dee felt Leach wasn't really serious in his interest in the job, when it turns out he would have taken a pay cut from his salary at TT to take the Miami job (Leach's words, not mine).Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sage
Entirely possible. That's the way it looks right now, but that's why some fans are putting pressure on the University leadership to give him a shot...b/c the fanbase does indeed want him there.Quote:
Or does Leach just want to be at MIAMI more than MIAMI wants him there??
Not that I'm aware of, but I think his current litigations are a deterrent to Miami's leadership b/c they don't want to hire a guy suing another University for fear of a PR backlash.Quote:
Does his current litigations have any clauses about coaching b/f it is settled??
I say as a fan--screw that, and don't worry about the PR. Even with high graduation rates and kids staying out of trouble under Shannon--people still looked at us as Thug U. Perception won't change, so don't worry about it. Do what's best for the program, which at this point is Leach.
Tubbs has only been at TT one year. You cant say he is better/worse than Leach after one year with someone else's recruits.
Ive said it all along, Leach is not a good fit for Miami IMO, he cares nothing about defense and runs a gimmick offense.
Miami is too talented to not get a coach that loves defense. It would be a huge waste to not have a great defensive coach there.
and nobody regards Miami as Thug U any more. Shannon did a great job in that department. He had what, 1 player arrested under his tenure? He built the Miami reputation solid, he deserves credit for that.
Well, Leach recruited those guys for the most part, and he took the same type of players and had TT competitive in the Big 12 almost every year...at the very least, had them overachieving. 7-5 is OK, but Leach likely could have squeezed 2 more wins out of that squad, given his history.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggin
Shannon was considered a "great defensive coach" when he was hired. Named Asst Coach of the Year a few times. I'm done with lifetime assistants getting their promotion to HC at Miami. We need a HC with a background in the job.Quote:
Ive said it all along, Leach is not a good fit for Miami IMO, he cares nothing about defense and runs a gimmick offense.
Miami is too talented to not get a coach that loves defense. It would be a huge waste to not have a great defensive coach there.
I can solve that problem real quick--hire Jim Leavitt as Leach's DC. Leavitt is another guy who is looking to get back into coaching after a controversial exit from head coaching, he could definitely get his foot back in the door with a DC gig at Miami--and he's always been a pretty good defensive coach. When USF got ranked #2, it was b/c of their D, not just Matt Groethe being a great college QB.
Even if it's not Leavitt--put an accomplished DC on Leach's staff and let him run the thing. Leach doesn't have to touch it at all.
WOW...maybe you don't, but that's what I still hear here at work amongst VT/UT fans, at every HS football game from the same group, and from opposing teams on gameday walking to the stadium when I go to watch a game in person.Quote:
and nobody regards Miami as Thug U any more.
The perception is there, and though some (like you) may see Shannon's accomplishments off the field, lots of people will still remember the FIU brawl, the Pell Grant Scandal, and Randall Hill firing fake pistols out of the Cotton Bowl tunnel WAY before what we've done academically, and what we've not done in the police blotter as of late.
Yes--and that one player is at Purdue now--Robert Marve. I fully know what Shannon did at Miami as far as kids not getting into trouble. I like that he stressed academics.Quote:
Shannon did a great job in that department. He had what, 1 player arrested under his tenure? He built the Miami reputation solid, he deserves credit for that.
However, Leach cares about academics as well. When he got to TT, they were on probation as a program b/c of academics. By his 3rd year, he started a 7 year long run of honorable mention in AFCA's Academic Excellence reports. The only team to show up on that report that long in that span? Notre Dame. So...as good as Shannon/Coker was academically--they didn't do what Leach did at TT.
Leach recruited those guys for his system, they are not fitting in TT's system. Its unfair to say that Leach might have gotten two more wins, because those are his players ,that fit his system, surely he would have won a couple more games. But TT's runs a radically different system than Leach, it will take more than a year with Leach's players before we can say how well Tubbs is at Tech.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoeburnCane
I agree, but that does not mean you have to throw defensive accumen away because Shannon was not successful. Shannon was a great DC, but was not head coaching material. But I think Miami should look for a former HC that has a reputation for defense. Miami's best shot at becoming elite again is on the defensive side IMO.Quote:
Shannon was considered a "great defensive coach" when he was hired. Named Asst Coach of the Year a few times. I'm done with lifetime assistants getting their promotion to HC at Miami. We need a HC with a background in the job.
Im just not a Leach fan. Leach's system is so gimmicky, I just do not think he will ever be a NC-type coach. I dont see why Leavitt could not be the Miami HC. He was a great coach and built USF into a good program. You cant win titles with no defense, and Leach has never had one. Miami wants to win titles, not just 10 games, right?Quote:
I can solve that problem real quick--hire Jim Leavitt as Leach's DC. Leavitt is another guy who is looking to get back into coaching after a controversial exit from head coaching, he could definitely get his foot back in the door with a DC gig at Miami--and he's always been a pretty good defensive coach. When USF got ranked #2, it was b/c of their D, not just Matt Groethe being a great college QB.
Sure, some people still say stuff like that, but thats just razzing fans. In the national media, Miami is no longer the biggest thug college in the nation. Shannon did a really great job getting rid of that label.Quote:
WOW...maybe you don't, but that's what I still hear here at work amongst VT/UT fans, at every HS football game from the same group, and from opposing teams on gameday walking to the stadium when I go to watch a game in person.
The perception is there, and though some (like you) may see Shannon's accomplishments off the field, lots of people will still remember the FIU brawl, the Pell Grant Scandal, and Randall Hill firing fake pistols out of the Cotton Bowl tunnel WAY before what we've done academically, and what we've not done in the police blotter as of late.
Leach does care academics, i wont dispute that. But academics is not the bottom line at Miami. They want a football powerhouse again,a national title contender. And Leach has never proven to be an elite coach. He always had decent teams but never won the Big XII and never competed on a national stage.Quote:
Yes--and that one player is at Purdue now--Robert Marve. I fully know what Shannon did at Miami as far as kids not getting into trouble. I like that he stressed academics.
However, Leach cares about academics as well. When he got to TT, they were on probation as a program b/c of academics. By his 3rd year, he started a 7 year long run of honorable mention in AFCA's Academic Excellence reports. The only team to show up on that report that long in that span? Notre Dame. So...as good as Shannon/Coker was academically--they didn't do what Leach did at TT.
Mullen has never won a title either, but he also has great offenses, and turned MSU, a lowly terrible program, into a top 20 program in two years.
Mullen's offense is nowhere near as gimmicky as Leach's, plus he is able to develop QBs for the pro's. Leach does not.
No Leach QB is a current QB in the NFL.
[QUOTE=CoeburnCane;1847447]Before it gets said...of course, since he's under contract with ESPN, he's not going to say that he talked turkey as far as contract and dollars goes. If ESPN knew that for sure, they'd likely can him or blackball him to doing drop-ins on SportsCenter.
You said in an earlier post that the contract talks had his brother involved,, and the future coach.. would ESPN not know that also??
Cane,
Are you hearing Malzhan now? There is alot of talk in SEC land that he has been offered the job and will accept.....
Honestly, a lot of the sources I had went on lockdown after all the Gruden stuff. I'm pretty sure Hocutt is keeping everything close to the vest now, not letting anything leak.Quote:
Originally Posted by VOL61
One thing I do know is that Hocutt is in NYC for the AFCA Coaches Conference this week, and has been rumored to be conducting informal interviews to guage interest, and then they'll officially interview candidates either later this week or early next week. Names have ranged from Jim Harbaugh to Mario Cristobal. Malzahn's name has been bandied about by some...but no solid sources, like I said.
Listening to Rivals this morning almost had me thinking Edsall had accepted the job when I first turned over to it.
There's a pretty good contingent of Miami fans that don't want Edsall. I'm hoping against hope that they don't interview him, or he bombs it one. Nice guy, but we need an ass-kicker in charge, not a guy who's another "father figure" like Shannon.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1inStripes
The way Bill King was going on when I changed the channel, I thought for sure he was signed. I grabbed my BB and went to ESPN to see and then he said, he felt like it would be a good hire if Edsall was named.
I read the article on Leach over on Canesports. He is dying for that job. I think the lawsuit is killing his chances. Malzhan would bring alot of that excitment to the offensive side like Leach. But he is unproven as far as head coaching experience. There is an auburn poster that has alot of respect on their rivals site that said Malzhan has been offered and he would accept. I don't know if that is true or not. But I don't think he would be the best choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoeburnCane
To me the best coaches out there that have had there name mentioned are Pelini and Harbaugh. I don't know if either would take it but if I where Miami those two would be the first two I would be calling....
I think Harbaugh is waiting to see what happens with RichRod or goes to the NFL myself.
Pellini and Harbaugh would both be good fits...but I don't know that Pellini leaves a job like Nebraska to come to Miami. Seems like a lateral move if you're talking historical programs...what I mean by that is--why come to Miami and try to rebuild it when you're in the midst of a thusfar successful rebuild of Nebraska?
Same kinda goes for Harbaugh, though I think more of his pull is to either a) go back to his alma mater in Michigan, or b) head to the NFL. I don't think Miami has enough pull to sway him from either of those. Once upon a time--sure. But the Miami job doesn't hold that kind of gravitas any more.
I'm still e-mailing everyday to Kirby to make sure he knows where the fans stand on the Leach issue. He would be the best fit for us from just about every angle I can look from.
Agreed, I don't see Miami pulling Pellini or Harbaugh. Pellini is in a far more historic program. I believe Harbaugh is getting serious consideration from the NFL and Michigan, another far more history rich program.
The reason Pelini's name came up is because he got into it with administration over the verbal abuse of his players.
Give me Gus. Im not worried about his lack of experience. I think wherever he goes, hes going to be great. Hes won everywhere hes been. I think I read where he won 3 state titles with 3 different high school teams.
Looks like the final 4 that Hocutt's going to look at doesn't include Leach...which disappoints me. Now--keep in mind that Kirby said something to the effect of: "We're going to go out and find the best available coach in America" during his presser after Shannon was fired.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich_Kotite
Now here's the list: Tuberville, Sumlin, Edsall, Golden.
Do any of those guys look like the "best available coach in America" to you guys? Or am I just delusional?